Redstate

oops--what a difference it makes when you forget that one little step in the process of nominating a candidate for POTUS! Believe me, they will keep sleuthing---the sleuthing is just getting started and the facts are not looking too good for BHO. Whether it's his birth certificate, his Illinois senate records, or his past associates, they are all starting to smell like dead fish. And the funny part about all this is that the Democratic Party honchos are so worried about his status that they are avoiding an open convention that will allow Clinton delegates to vote for Clinton. As the convention draws nearer, the fish oder will only get worse and they won't have any way out of it... should make for interesting entertainment come August!

By the way, Hans, as a "leftish" Democrat who has only been around Redstate for 11 weeks, you wouldn't just happen to be a paid Obama blogger, would you? Oh, of course not!!!

So be nice. Pretty please, with sugar on top.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

I don't intend to allow our family spat spill over to RedState. These folks have been far too hospitable to go any further in this vein than I already have.

I will say this, however. God, I *wish* I was a paid blogger. Damn, making money for this? Where do I sign? If you think that every person who has something nice to say about Barack Obama is being paid to say it, you've really gone round the bend.

The world isn't out to get you. I'm not part of any conspiracy. I'm just a guy who disagrees with you. I'm not evil, and I'm not out to get you. You're perfectly free to associate with whomever you like, and vote however you like. I consider you well beyond any attempt at persuasion, so I willy simply wish you well, and laugh rather loudly when I see such intrepid "sleuthing" as you folks do.

The "fish oder" is nothing more than some Clinton supporters interpretting any and every fact in a way that furthers their own world outlook.

As I said, I wish you well. I hope you find whatever it is you're looking for here. It's as much your right as it is mine, and I am not dissembling when I say that I respect your right to do this.

after all, most Hillary bloggers were paid shills.

The Minority Report

I wouldn't go that far. I've known some that were paid, and many that were not.

as an investigative reporter you are no Woodstein.

His Illinois voting record and his past and/or present shady associates are all fair game. Cheap inuendo and (dare I say)smear is not.

The Minority Report

In the linked blog post, JimJ provides verifiable facts, including links to websites that support his points and a logical argument involving timelines. This is not cheap inuendo and "smear" tactics.

Since when would it not be a legitimate question to ask whether a candidate or someone in his campaign has deliberately falsified information presented to the voting public? Especially something as important as whether or not he can produce a legitimate birth certificate? Just because he is also being evasive about his Illinois senate records and other documentation from his past, doesn't mean that the birth certificate should be dropped as an issue.

I realize the article is long and heavy on technical detail and might be too difficult for some to follow but its just that sort of sound bite mentality and lack of true investigative journalism that has been lacking in vetting Obama. Let's have more people actually read it and then have a debate about it's legitimacy vs immediately labeling it "smear" which lately seems to be code for "anything that questions the Obama party line". Let's hear some specific, logical arguments for why his conclusion is faulty vs immediately branding any discussion about the BC as off-limits.

When they can produce hard evidence that it is faked (which they can't and won't) then this becomes a story.

Until then it is just another in a long list of false stories by No Quarter

Not a single specific point you'd like to discuss? I'm not too wild about the New York Times either but I can still discuss their arguments if they provide verifiable facts.

There is a lot of speculation. There is a lot of conspiracy theory. What there isn't is any proof that his certificate of live birth is anything but authentic.

Please, this issue is dead until someone can provide REAL evidence that his certificate is faked.

It's true that the seal appears when using GIMP edge detection software on the images currently shown on Kos and the Obama "smears" website but it does NOT appear on copies of the image that were saved earlier from those websites.