I Welcome Our McCainiac Overlords (consider this your open thread to vent. Put it all here and then be done with it)
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En la luz del poste de Byron York, justo como decir hola y bienvenidos a nuestros nuevos jefes supremos McCainian.
Yo apreciaría un trabajo en la sombra y sólo preguntaría que ellos usen la fusta frugalmente en mí. También, si ellos consideran posiciones para campos de reeducación, sé este lugar agradable en las montañas de Carolina esto tiene temperaturas agradables y clima.
El senador McCain habla a las 15h00 hoy en CPAC.
[By the way, lighten up people. Just trying some light hearted humor here.]
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In all seriousness, despite the light hearted humor that will no doubt rub the humorless the wrong way, it is now time to rally behind McCain.
I will have more on my thoughts later.
The big question is how far McCain will go today to patch up ties with conservatives today.
Stay tuned . . .
I still can't understand this post!
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I support Governor Mike Huckabee for President.
So I really have little choice.
Jim Tomasik
I am a Conservative first and a Republican second. I will not vote or support John McCain no matter what he says NOW. His record speaks for itself. As they say, "Talk is cheap."
Because republicans will be united against the liberal clinton or the liberal obama. We will feel like we have to go along with the liberal mccain.
One example. If hillary is president, we may be able to stop amnesty for illegals. If mmcain is president, stopping it would be much harder. Consider budgets and everything else. If a democrat liberal is in the white house, we are more likely to find our fiscal discipline than if a liberal republican is in the white house.
It's as simple as that. Our liberal is not better than their liberal. Liberals are liberals.
McCain is not a liberal.
As conservative as Fred Thompson? No.
But a liberal - hell no.
I wouldn't want to debate who's "more conservative" because I think it's a silly argument.
But Thompson's and McCain's voting records when they were both in the Senate was nearly identical.
"I ain't never votin' fo no Democrat so long as I draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas
Were Thompson to have been in the Senate with McCain during the Bush II years, your basic premise would not hold water.
Thompson would not have voted against the Bush tax cuts, would not have supported McCain Kennedy...
sigh-why did I even come in here to address this?
I'm wasting my time.
Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
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So you don't think Thompson would have voted to support our troops at every turn as McCain did?
So you don't think Thompson would have voted to confirm Samuel Alito & John Roberts like McCain did?
I'd really like to know if you think that, because those are the most important votes during President Bush's second term.
"Life is too short, can't we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?"
to restrict free speech, give citizenship on the cheap (at best), buy into the AGW agenda and the crushing effects it will have on our economy, have your name listed on a who's who list of liberal legislation none of which advanced one iota of the conservative agenda (so please spare me the Reagan comparisons), and treat the conservatives on your side of the aisle with more vitriol and contempt than you do liberals, that makes you a conservative?
"All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
When the old fart said he'd shrink the size of government, I just about popped a vein. All he did was remind me how drastic an increase in the size of government it will take to monitor our carbon quotients, not to mention huge new bureaucracy it will require to process 20 million new residents and their 40 to 60 million reunited family members. And then there's expansion of law enforcement, schools, infrastructure, etc. to be managed by other bureaucracies.
Anyone who believes government will shrink during a McCain administration is either very bad at math, optimistic to the point of retarded development, or is simply not considering that the man's promises across the policy spectrum just don't make sense. The contradict each other.
If he believes everything he says, he's not intellectually qualified to lead. If he's not being honest, he's not trustworthy enough to lead. It has to be one of the two.
I fully expect that under his Cap and Trade policies the EPA would have to set up shop in my home and make me exchange credits for what I emanate each night after dinner. I swear that's just hyperbole on my part...but my family would beg to differ.
Better be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident security. --Edmund Burke
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is that Republicans cannot govern. Your assessment relegates us to the "back benches" forever where we can be "aginners," but not set out and implement our own agenda.
Sadly, history is on your side; "Conservatism's" finest hours were fighting from the back benches whether supporting Reagan and Bush I from the minority, backing down WJC sucessfully enough to get a majority, or in the early days of our majority when we still had an agenda, even if that agenda was basically "Stop the Democrats."
When we finally won and had the WH and the Congress, we became as venal, grasping, and unpricipled as the worst of the Democrat excesses. So maybe our proper role, at least til we can have some people on the bench who are both conservative AND know how to run a government, is to stand in the Democrats' path yelling STOP. Maybe they'll listen, maybe not.
In Vino Veritas
McCain has a proven record of conservatism...
I hope he unifies the party.
Yes, he has the numbers, but lacks the foundation.
Reagan won because the base was excited. Both Bushes won because the base was excited.
Not excited yet? Watch the youtube clip of Hillary promising to raise everyone's taxes back to where they were in 2000.
Imagine what kind of judges Obama would put on the Supreme Court and how they would expand affirmative action.
Picture Hillary sending school nurses to junior high schools where they can help girls "get rid of pregnancies" quietly without their parents finding out.
Imagine the horror of the next 9/11 with a liberal in charge of the military and the CIA.
I guess I take issue with your stance and those that say they will sit out because of McCain. If HRC or Obama win, they will be in for 8 years. That is the way you must look at it.
I am a father/husband that is an American first and foremost with Beliefs that are conservative. My family and America will suffer if HRC or Obama win. McCain will protect the U.S.- period; the Dems will not. Be an American first and do what protects your family and check the egos at the voting booth door.
If you must sit it out, then start now and be silent because
those who choose to ignore the right I served to protect
have no voice with me.
McCain is not my 1st or 2nd choice but I had enough of the Clintons the first time around and Obama will be worse.
Imagine Hugo Chavez visiting the White House.
Freedom isn't free!
Hey, I live in Phoenix. Ya gotta be able to communicate in Espanelo.
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I guess I got something out of those H.S. Spanish classes after all.
...so that all looked like Greek to me!
IJ
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
---Thomas Paine---
...and I thought that stuff was German. Auf Wiedersehn!
After learning Korean, all Latin based languages look pretty much the same.
Stepping back instead of keeping the pot boiling.
Thanks to the FredHeads and Huckalumps, we have McCain as our nominee.
I'll vote for him but he won't get a dime of my money.
Wasn't McCain winning when they were still in the race? Don't all the exit polls say that the 2nd choice for Huckabee voters was McCain? I don't want to come down on Romney supporters today, and I don't know if you're one, but I don't believe Fred, Mike, or Rudy prevented Romney from beating McCain.
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Why do you think Huckabee and Thompson entered the race? Romney is the real change agent and the neocons had to kill his candidacy.
I must have missed that memo.
Moe
PS: You've been here long enough to know that use of ythe word "neocon" to mean "conservatives I don't like" is strictly forbidden. Don't do it again.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
How's the kid btw? Mine just started potty training.
"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
Mitthead for McCain/Rudy or insert conservative not named Huckabee here in 08
Cheerful tyke, thank God. :)
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
Wait until they go eerywhere running a 100 meter dash. And its quite funny that they lok at you s if you know what they're saying and are supposed to understand it. It's a good life, bro :-)
"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
Mitthead for McCain/Rudy or insert conservative not named Huckabee here in 08
I rather like being called a neocon and I embrace it.
We should not be ashamed of who we are like the liberals are. Ever heard hillary brag about how "liberal" she is? Heck no, becasue they are ashamed. We should not be that way.
"Life is too short, can't we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?"
Besides, 'liberal' doesn't describe them accurately. Ron Paul is a liberal. Hillary Clinton is a socialist.
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"If we want to take this party back, and I think we can someday, let’s get to work." – Barry Goldwater
Indulge me please-define the neocons and their evil overlords. Because most neo-cons would consider Huckabee anything but one of them.
"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
Mitthead for McCain/Rudy or insert conservative not named Huckabee here in 08
Thompson, Romney, Giuliani, Hunter, Brownback, McCain, Huckabee.
Drink Good Beer
FDT's Principles
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
---Thomas Paine---
that is an impressive amount of crazy to compress into such a short post.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
This is what I find to be true.
But the fat lady has not sung because the Huckaboom is just going to continue, making it impossible for McCain to get the delegates he needs, which will lead to a brokered convention, which will result in Huck as VP, he'll get 4 years to spread the FairTax word, and then get 'er done when he takes office. And McCain gets to set the parameters for exactly what winning the war on terror, and the front in Iraq, looks like.
I support Governor Mike Huckabee for President.
to keep Huckabee (who he can't stand) from being VP.
Huckabee has zero chance to be the nominee at this point.
Thompson, Romney, Giuliani, Hunter, Brownback, McCain, Huckabee.
Drink Good Beer
FDT's Principles
Who does Romney hate less, McCain or Huck? In any case, the Veep choice is not Romney's to make.
he didn't deserve to win.
Thompson, Romney, Giuliani, Hunter, Brownback, McCain, Huckabee.
Drink Good Beer
FDT's Principles
and if he wants more of a future w/ the party, that was how to arrange his affairs.
"I believe we must adjourn this meeting to some other place." - The last recorded words of Adam Smith.
Didn't Redstate state that anyone calling John McCain "Juan McCain" would be banned, because it is insensitive to Hispanics?
Why isn't posting articles in Spanish considered insensitive? Aren't both attempts at mocking McCain's stance on immigration?
Seems hypocritical to me.
Or is it that since you "have the mike", as they say, then you can set the standard where and when you please?
(By the way, I am a Hispanic, and couldn't care less what lame jokes are made, but seems to me that any and all standards ought to be applied fairly.)
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“It must not be supposed that folly is as powerful as truth,
just because it can, if it likes, shout louder and longer than truth.”
--Augustine
"...lighten up people. Just trying some light hearted humor here."
This was the same defense some made, by the way, of the Juan McCain cracks, and they were shot down. No exceptions made.
Yep. That's hypocritical, alright.
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deranged anti-McCainiacs, los conservadores locos puros, who may be having a meltdown at the moment.
...So it's okay to use Spanish to make fun of those who are against McCain, but it's NOT okay to use Spanish to make fun of McCain himself?
Okay. Yeah. That's fair.
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...And neither is Redstate, apparently.
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...But only when it fits Redstate's tastes.
You are logically inconsistent.
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Erick wasn't making fun of Mexicans; he was making fun of people who wake up in the middle of the night, certain that there's a Mexican under their bed.
See? Problem solved: you've had your complaint addressed; and take all further objections to the Directors via the Contact link. Thanks in advance.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
"People weren't making fun of Mexicans; they were making fun of McCain who's policies would strengthen the concerns that people would wake up in the middle of the night, certain that there's a Mexican under their bed."
As you see, you're argument is my argument. The point I am making is that standards ought to be applied evenly. That is all.
You can keep your pity... just do me a favor and try to think a bit more clearly.
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Thank you.
I think that the editors have turned into the "humor police".
They decide when something is funny and when something is offensive.
As Snowball would say, "All animals are equal. Some animals are more equal than others. Obey the pigs."
"All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama to John McCain?"
Not at all. I prefer none of them!
None of them is not an option. You are getting one of them.
Chose wisely.
"I ain't never votin' fo no Democrat so long as I draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas
Choose wisely, from the spelling police! ;)
I just want it on the record that I find this post objectionable, for reasons that should be obvious.
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You asked me who I prefer. I prefer NONE of them. You're quite right that I will get one of them. But that does not require that I vote for or support any of them and I will not. This election, I will not buy into "the lesser of three-evils" argument.
"So you do want Hillary for president or at least you don't mind Hillary for President."
What's the alternative? McCain or Obama. Let me say it again. I don't want any of them, even though I will get one of them. I will not be part of electing any of them and I have a feeling that many Conservatives will take the same position.
"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
To do nothing is to allow the worse candidate a free pass.
John Calvin was not an advocate of passivity.
"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
To do nothing is to allow the worse candidate a free pass.
John Calvin was not an advocate of passivity.
"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
To do nothing is to allow the worse candidate a free pass.
John Calvin was not an advocate of passivity.
will now run RedMcState?
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Thompson, Romney, Giuliani, Hunter, Brownback, McCain, Huckabee.
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They that are with us are more than they that are against us.
The Carolina mountains might indeed be a good place for a re-education camp, if a bit too hot much of the year for my taste.
has it within him to pull a Romney and do the right thing?
Like fight like hell to come from behind now that there is a more than reasonable chance? Yeah, I think he will do the right thing. This looks perfect for Huckabee.
Jim Tomasik
for him to win mathematically. Huck got what he wanted, Romney won't be President and if he's lucky, Johnny Mac will let him park his trailer on the White House lawn.
"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
Mitthead for McCain/Rudy or insert conservative not named Huckabee here in 08
I think that he is too ethically challenged to do the right thing.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/mikehuckabee/story/0,,2227378,00...
http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241
http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Pulled%27+Huckabee+ad+did+a...
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/mbecker908/2007/dec/17/huckabee_is_to_the_...
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
---Thomas Paine---
...to pump people up for supporting McCain, but isn't having much effect.
Here's the bottom line: McCain better figure out some way to inspire some people quick, or people like me are going stay home in droves.
having people do it for him will not work. He has to do it himself.
while writing his C-PAC speech, to withdraw for the good of the party. He and his advisors had met and agreed to continue to the convention.
Mitt is a good man.
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Romney's not out! At least, that's what I'm telling myself when I send in my ballot today for the primary. And please McCain, don't pick Huckabee as your Veep.
Courage becomes a living and an attractive virtue when it is regarded not only as a willingness to die manfully, but also as a determination to live decently.
I was previously a Thompson supporter, now McCain, but want to commend Romney.
That was a great, moving, honest speech and I think it took a lot of heart and gut checking to do that. Well done Mitt, I really hope he ends up in the administration.
"Now is not time for the philosophical flexibility of our principles." Fred Dalton Thompson
Jason in NorCal
One question: will supporting McCain now strengthen or weaken the Republican party for 2010 and 2012?
R.J.
If Iraq looks decent in a couple of years, McCain helpd us because he is the gallant warrior who stayed the course to victory. Otherwise he is a drag on us just Like Bush was in 2006.
"Life is too short, can't we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?"
For VP?
"Now is not time for the philosophical flexibility of our principles." Fred Dalton Thompson
Jason in NorCal
Romney did an honorable thing by stepping aside. I suspected he would, because well he's not a bad guy.
Now is not the time to rally behind Huckabee. Because well lets face it 1) he has no shot of winning (even if Mitt gave him his support) he simply has no support outside of the southern states, which also shows why he has no shot at being a VP to McCain. 2) Huckabee is a jerk. He clearly has proven he has no concern for the sake of America; instead he only cares about himself.
I think most of us would be able to at least stomach McCain (given the other choices) if he picks a great VP. If he goes with Crist, Thompson, and even Romney I think he'd be able to get a good chunk of the angry conservatives in the general. Those would be three good choices for VP. All three would bring him good chunks of votes in the southern conservative states, but also they would be able to bring him swing states like FL, PA, and OH.
Personally I feel like his best choice would be Mitt, considering in states Mitt ran he ran a very close second or third to McCain, and the states he won he pretty much ran away with it. It shows that Romney has appeal in southern states, but also can clearly win Mountain states and swing states. Also, having a McCain-Romney Ticket might just secure that Mass goes to the republican side.
Anyone else have a similar view? Thoughts?
As a Southerner, I would say he is a better choice, but now I'm actually thinking it should be Mitt. I also think he needs to be rewarded for ending this early, because of the war, because of beating the dems etc...
I also think Romney is a great candidate next time if we get him in the public eye. Fred shows his age.
"Now is not time for the philosophical flexibility of our principles." Fred Dalton Thompson
Jason in NorCal
Don't forget McCain's old. I think he's going to be 72 before the convention. Can you really picture a 76 year old McCain running for reelection in 2012?
I know McCain's stubborn, but I don't think he'd be that stupid. If he ran as a 76 year old he'd get clobbered in 2012, on age alone.
So basically his candidate has to be good enough to be able to run in 2012 on that platform. I agree I think Romney would be a good choice, and this election has pushed him more into a public light. Thompson would show his age, and Crist well no one really knows him as of now (except they know he's the guy that endorsed McCain in FL). Should be an interesting choice...
It seems that Senator McCain is going to be the Republican nominee... one Purple candidate is in the race... let's see if we can get two.
A former Repub strategist turned PURPLE,
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"I believe we must adjourn this meeting to some other place." - The last recorded words of Adam Smith.
The big question is how far McCain will go today to patch up ties with conservatives today.
He needs to go a long long way. And he can start by picking a conservative VP. What Mitt said was very classy. He might be a good choice, but McCain needs an attack dog.
Now we can officially discuss VP.
Does anyone know what time McCain speaks at CPAC? Looks like Fox News online is covering it.
"Now is not time for the philosophical flexibility of our principles." Fred Dalton Thompson
Jason in NorCal
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I have Fox news still on CPAC on the computer, but not sure if it will switch out.
"Now is not time for the philosophical flexibility of our principles." Fred Dalton Thompson
Jason in NorCal
Regardless of what he says today, why would you beieve him? Doesn't his record say far more than what he may utter to Conservatives in order to get elected?
I guess it's time to drop all my own personal values and what I believe the role of government should be so I can get behind a looser McCain..
There will be a dhimmicrat in the white house next year.. god help us all..
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Could get his humorectomey reversed as nicely as you have, things could go forward.
Of course McCain would do well to have some humble pie in his diet, along with a rejuvenated sense of humor about now.
Great post. Congrats on the excellent Espanol.
Regards,
Oh well...
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We can still keep him in reins by making sure that we electing strong conservative members to congress. Alot of people are bemoaning that this is a lost cause with all the people retiring and with the Dems in control of congress, but I tend to disagree. What we need to do is start by targeting the first term-dems and those that just barely won last time.
see my most recent blog "Reagan was a FLuke". We need to recruit and groom candidates starting at the lowest levels.
People who are really conservative, especially fiscally.
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle
Building from the grassroots works! A solid foundation is unbeatable...
La mayoria que apoyan a Juan McCain no demuestran la gracia que demostro' Romney. Es una lastima.
It will happen. My guess is that it will be Thomas Golisano.
What exactly is it that John McCain can say today that will effectively resolve all of our anxieties and redirect our efforts towards uniting the Party? What would that be? I promise to build the fence before passing amnesty? I promise to follow-up with new tax reductions when Bush's expire? I promise not to lose my temper and poke you activist in the eye? I promise that I'll revisit McCain-Feingold with Russ, and get something better in the works? I promise not to over compensate with my Dem friends in an effort to 'get along'. I promise to look younger than my 72 years? Oh, and I promise not to name my buddies Huck or Lindsay as my VP?
I, for one, don't expect John McCain to do anything other than offer some well formulated nonsense, cooked up by his advisors, as their peace offering for all of his liberal missteps in years past. If anyone walks away from this convinced we've misjudge John and he isn't what we think he is, I'm looking forward to reading your take.
Yep, I can't wait to hear what crumbs the Emperor will toss us at CPAC, and I'm just SWELLING with confidence in his desire to make nice with the base once he's sitting in the big chair. Sounds familiar...
Darth Vader: Calrissian! Take the princess and the Wookie to my ship.
Lando Calrissian: You said they'd be left at the city under my supervision.
Darth Vader: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.
Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J
McCain = Darth Vader?
LOL, that's funny. Not funny in that I agree, funny in that I can't believe someone would actually think that (and not be a Code Pinker).
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the other third is covered by Champ Bailey.
I alwasy cheered for the Dark Side-so I would much rather roll with Lord Vader than Luke.
"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
Mitthead for McCain/Rudy or insert conservative not named Huckabee here in 08
No personal attacks.
No harassment or demonization of a particular individual.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
I mean, the title addressed the McCainiac Overlords -- ya know, reminds a little of Darth, the Evil Empire and all, no?
Plus, I have no confidence that the man will not sell conservatives up the river the first chance he gets -- no history of that, right? That exchange from TESB just jumped into my head. Conservatives, in the same boat as Lando, would have no options.
And that's just funny, I don't care who ya are.
Oh, and in point of fact, I actually called McCain the Emperor. I imagine in the above exchange, Lindsey Graham would be his 'boy', ya know, telling all 'the bigots to just shet up!'
Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippi
I damn near fell out of my chair when I opened this up.
Erick, there are many and varied reasons why I love you (ahem - in a manly sorta way of course)...
This right here is perhaps one outstanding example of the biggest reason why...
WELL DONE my friend-
and, everyone else out there? Read the last sentence of Erick's post before you even THINK about clicking on "Reply"..m'kay?
Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
-Quintus Horatius Flaccus