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Ministerbruce

Your hate for Obama is apparent and I know you wanted Hillary to win, but to go over to the 10% side, because you did not get your wish, please grow up.

McCain agrees with about 10% of what you believe in and you’ve thrown it all over, for someone who believes in 90% of what you believe, that's Obama.

Revenge is a dish best served by someone who can back it up and your not it, vote your interest, not your hate.

And Obama has this country interest in mind, in everything he says and does, demonizing another American and his family will not serve our country, but hate if you will, it just taking up space in your heart for love.

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

is winning the war on terror, then the 90% disagreement is really just small potatoes as living takes a back seat to everything else.

McCain '08

nt

Wright (or is that wrong)...troll.

Freedom of Religion NOT Freedom from Religion

something. This is a conservative site, and comments like the above go against everything this site is about. The woman that posted this diary is more than welcome here. Like the real members of this site, she is an American first, and believes in the future of this country. She doesn't want to see it become uber socialist and or communist. That is the "change" Comrade Obama will bring... Not interested. Why don't you go reread Das Kapital or Mein Kompf or something loser.
Tim Schieferecke

I have never been really proud of Barack until he resumed smoking cigarettes in defiance of his bullying wife. But I have always loved them.

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"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race." - The Chief Justice

Mr. Seven Hour Wonder, could you please provide a quote from the original poster that indicates her "hate for Obama"? Because I swear, I've read that posting several times and I'm not seeing it. Oh, and if you're referring to the sentence that says "stop the onslaught of the worst fraud on America, the anti-American Mr. Obama who for some reason is already the King of All Media.", I think she is simply stating fact. Any of our regular residents at Redstate could quote you plenty of evidence to support all three of her assertions: (a) fraud on America, b) anti-American, and c) King of All Media

Now I suspect that you're one of the "anyone who's against Obama is a hateful racist" crowd, so that would explain your hallucinations.

Mike DeVine’s Charlotte Observer columns
www.theminorityreportblog.com
"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race." - The Chief Justice

Obama has only his interests in mind. as he proved once again today. Add one more lie to the list. He said he would use public campaign funds but changed his mind. He seems to do alot of that,to suit his own needs. John McCain is concerned for the people of this country and proves that by listening to what is important to us. His agenda is to stop all the unmeccessary spending and bring our soldiers back home with Honor.
Denise
Pennsylvania

(though maybe she'll feel somewhat differently after she's been here for a while).

Rather, she wants us to still have a country that is still recognizably America after Nov 4th.

Nonetheless, your point is well taken about negativity, which we don't really want to infect our campaign. After all, McCain in the candidate who really has a positive, forward-looking vision for America.

And Rightly So!

It just pisses me off sometimes. We've got a hard enough time as it is this election cycle. I'm happy for help, sure, but I want people who are really gonna fight for conservative principles. Maybe it's just because I had a bad experience with the Clinton supporters who've flipped that I've met- all who seem to only be engaged in spite. It only detracts to our cause, and makes us look bad.

This username is also in use over at MyDD by an Obama supporter who trashes Clinton and her supporters constantly, and appears to be online and posting comments there during a large portion of the day. Just a coincidence?

I am very curious about such coincidences, and it is amusing to see the same username talking about "conservative principles", one who seems much more comfortable with and prolific regarding Obama's concerns and spin at MyDD.

If anyone wishes to check, you can go see this phenomenon over at MyDD by typing in this username into their search box under "Comments by" to verify what I am saying.

I just want to be clear about who we are dealing with.

there is something afoot!

Freedom of Religion NOT Freedom from Religion

EVERY poll shows vast multitudes of Hillary supporters who have moved to McCain. He even has an entire coalition led by Lieberman with democrats and independents who are going for McCain.

It certainly makes logical sense that someone would feel they are a democrat, but still put country over politics and beleive that Obama would seriously harm the country. Thus they disagree with McCain on certain positions but agree with him on the most important ones..

"Small town folks get bitter after which they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment"- Barack Carter Obama

on owning high gas prices on the Holy Grails of higher taxes on same and "the rich" amidst economic hard times. McCain has been turned @ $4/gal as Obama embraces light bulb replacement. The GOP is forcing dems to vote on snail darters/high gas prices vs. drilling and having the dough to take the kids to the beach or pull bills due to likely blue dawg defections.

Obama is Carter/Mondale/Dukakis with a vile preacher and hateful wife.

Mike DeVine’s Charlotte Observer columns
www.theminorityreportblog.com
"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race." - The Chief Justice

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Mike DeVine’s Charlotte Observer columns
www.theminorityreportblog.com
"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race." - The Chief Justice

suspicion! Political bloggers from the left are going to start moving towards the moderate/conservative blogs since the lefty blogs (huffpo, Dkos, etc) are not allowing criticizm or disagreement about Obama now.

We all don't tow the party line, and yes, most of us put the wo/man and the country above the parties (both are pretty sucky right now). I'd like to see Mike Bloomberg or Bobby Jindal on the ticket....embrace the future for the GOP !

I'm here to help get McCain elected by learning as much as I can to represent him in my community. I volunteered for him in 2000. I also enjoy reading honest and critical thoughts about Obama....he ain't my messiah...lol.

For the record, I was an Edwards supporter. I do hope we're welcomed here.....not all of us are from the looney left :)

The only way we'll get anything done is to hear each other's points of view and either convince or compromise. McCain has a history of doing that which hasn't endeared him with conservatives. All the more reason why he's an ideal candidate for all Americans, not just center-right.

And he knows what he's doing, which is kinda...you know...required.

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Oil: Drill here. Drill now. Pay less.

Hi Susannah,

I appreciate your concise list of talking points. May I have permission to pass them along to other Clinton Democrats for McCain, giving you credit, of course? A number of people are working on finding all the areas of policy agreement and areas of values based agreement between our two camps to use in outreach to Clinton voters, especially on issues that are most relevant in the swing states.

All other contributions to this discussion are very welcome.

Obama wants to mess with those as well.

Freedom of Religion NOT Freedom from Religion

I especially liked Senator Clinton's views on gun rights, because she recognizes the differences between the needs of rural and suburban areas and those of urban environments, and proposed that legislation needed to be nuanced and respectful of those different sets of needs, and cultural values.

As someone who was raised in both suburban and farming situations, where I learned to shoot from my father, and rifles and shotguns were simply tools like any others - with safety rules to be observed, and skills and discipline needed for their use as we do with all power tools and equipment that has it's use and misuse - and afterward lived in an urban environment where I saw first hand as an auxiliary police officer (we are not armed in NYC) and volunteer EMT the dangers and criminal proliferation of deadly illegal weapons, used with unlawful intent, how gun laws needed to vary with the environment. Risk seems unequal when you compare the situations, and careful analysis and crafting of local law to restrain the availability of illegal weapons could add to safety and depress the number of criminal shootings. The personal impact of years of seeing crime victims, especially innocent people, including children, maimed and killed by illegal guns has guided my views, and tempered the wish for freedom with what I hope is a judicious acceptance of the need for restrictions that apply in dangerous cities where these tools can be put to deadly use.

Obviously there are differences of opinion and constitutional arguments we can get into, but my personal preference is with the informed flexibility of Senator Clinton's position on this issue. I believe many of her supporters in PA and OH in particular favor gun rights very strongly.

It's an interesting question, I may try to determine more accurately where more of her supporters stand.

Gun control is an opportunity for compromise. It makes sense that the prescriptions for weapons would be different in a rural area as opposed to an urban one. Pragmatically, if anyone owns a weapon, they ought to be able to demonstrate safe use of it and they ought to be licensed. Conservatives don't like the idea of weapons being registered given the threat of confiscation, which is quite understandable.

The chief complaint among conservatives is that the existing laws need to be enforced. Also, we've seen the tragic ineffectiveness of "gun free zones" which really seem to mean "free fire zone" to criminals.

In terms of gun control I think communicating to people that they statistically don't need a weapon for personal defense would keep the weapon population down. But it's very comforting to have law-abiding citizens out there with access and skill in use of firearms.

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Oil: Drill here. Drill now. Pay less.

I remember during one of the debates, that Hillary said that gun laws should be left up to the states, but that she understood why gun laws were different in MT than they were in Manhattan (I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically right).

I remember according to the exit polls, that Hillary won an overwhelming majority of gun owners on March 4th (TX and OH) and beyond. For instance, she won the Appalachian/Jacksonian voters in PA, NC, KY, and WV--also gun owners.

Yes, wow, you really have your demographics down! I campaigned for Hillary in PA, NC, KY, and WV, and she completely took the gun owners and the entire rural vote in every state.

She also has an tremendous grasp of farm issues. She had an entire farm board in her NY state administration devoted to our farmers economic development here, which she has been deeply involved with. Farmers everywhere are amazed at her understanding of their issues, they don't expect that at all from her, and they are so impressed that she "gets it".

Of course you may pass them along--I would appreciate that.

Four other points:

Also, under National Security--Hillary voted to label the Iranian National Guard a terrorist organization. Obama didn't show up to vote on the issue (I guess he "was too busy campaigning"). However, Obama hammered Hillary for that vote during the primaries, but now he's flip-flopped on it (just like he did with NAFTA), because he's now running in the GE and he's trying to expand his base beyond latte liberals and college kids.

Guns--Both Obama and Hillary held the same position on gun laws during the Democratic primary--i.e., they both said that they "supported the Second Amendment". Also, they probably realized that gun control is a political loser, and so they weren't going to expend any political capital trying to pass new gun laws. On the other hand, Obama did fill out a questionnaire, in the IL state legislature (I think in 1996) stating that he wanted to ban the sale and manufacture of all firearms, so who knows what he really thinks. Not to mention, Obama did state that small town PA people "get bitter and cling to God and guns", but I digress.

Born Alive Infant Protections Act--In the IL legislature, Obama spoke out against The Born Alive Infant protections Act--a bill stating that doctors must help save late term babies that survive abortions, instead of just letting them die. This position that he took on this bill will not go over well with Catholics and Reagan Democrats in PA. By the way, I'm pro-choice in the first trimester, but this still really bothers me.

Iraq--Believe it or not, neither Obama nor McCain are going to pull out of Iraq immediately--it would cause a civil war. Besides, The Washington Post reported that Obama's staffer (Samantha Powers) told the Iraqis that Obama doesn't want to pull the troops out of Iraq immediately and that his position is really similar to John McCain's. Anyway, my point is that neither candidate is going to immediately pull the troops out of Iraq; therefore, it is foolish to vote on that issue alone (and I was initially against the Iraq war).

Hope this helps!! :-)

Hi Susannah,

I sent out your well informed and thoughtful contributions on the areas of policy agreement and shared values between our Senators to my group of Hillary supporters for McCain this morning, thanks very much!

We have been nagging the McCain campaign for an in depth policy position paper on all of Senator McCain's proposals, so we can make a real comparative study of their similarities and dissimilarities for use in outreach to her voters.

Thanks so much for joining our team effort! :)

When we come out with some campaign literature specific to Clinton voters I will have to share it with you here.

If anyone else also wants to contribute some ideas please send them along! They can be repeats of thing we have already mentioned, every variety of languaging of these issues is helpful, so even if it seems repetitive I am interested in seeing your ideas. Sometimes it is simply the turn of a phrase that makes an idea seem more or less persuasive, and different ways to predicate an idea on values that ring true to people can be very valuable.

There are a few more that I thought of since I wrote those down last night. I think that I'm going to write all of these down in a blog (either today or tomorrow, when I have time), so that people may be able to specifically target Clinton voters. If you can think any other examples, feel free to post them here or email them to me (click on my name and it will give you my email address).

please

love ya

Mike DeVine’s Charlotte Observer columns
www.theminorityreportblog.com
"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race." - The Chief Justice