Splitting California
By Neil Stevens Posted in California | culture | State Politics — Comments (14) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »
Texas may hold the option of splitting into multiple states, but it's California that most needs broken up. Traditionally, the proposal has been a North-South split, but some of us have other ideas.
Via Paul Cella I came across this post by Jeff Culbreath reacting to a proposal to split California into three states. Both Culbreath and Phrelin.com focus heavily on geography in taking the traditional north-south split, but adding a third state, separating the northern coastline from the rest of the proposed Northern California.
I think this is a bit self-serving, and misses where the meaningful split is.
Read on...

Phrelin.com is apparently based in the Redwoods, and Culbreath lives in Glenn County. So when I say it's "self-serving," I perfectly understand why they don't want the burgeoning Bay Area swallowed whole into Northern California. That's their state, and they don't want their state overwhelmed by the populous coast. So likewise, I hope they'll understand why I, in Riverside County, would not want my Southern California overwhelmed by the mess we call Los Angeles County.
Notice a pattern? Republicans in inland Northern California want away from the Bay Area coastal cities. Republicans in inland Southern California want away from the LA Area coastal cities. So why don't we just split the whole state along those lines? We can create an inland Eastern California, with low population density and sane values, separate from the coastal Western California, where all the fruits and nuts congregate.
I believe that Phrelin and Culbreath are wrong to focus on geography. Instead we should look at people. There is a cultural divide between the California of the coast, with all the excesses our state is known for, and the California made better known by Victor Davis Hanson, the son of a California farming family. But this divide doesn't stop at Sacramento or Fresno. It runs the whole length of the state. Heck, I live east of active diary farming, and I'm only an hour out of LA. When I was in high school, the Future Farmers of America were alive and kicking at my own school. So there are cultural bonds running north-south in inland California. And likewise, don't we think the hippy-dippy fruits and nuts of SF and LA will get along just fine?
As for my map, I do things I think are highly debatable though. My inclination is that over time, we're going to see the Sacramento-San Francisco corridor urbanize, so my thought is to just put that whole area into my Western California, though Yolo, San Joaquin, and Stanislaus counties could probably fit in well in the East. I'm highly flexible on the border in that part of the state. I also put Orange County in the East, though demographically I'm sure it needs to go into the West. Perhaps Orange and a few other counties like Kern would ideally be split.
In any case, please, please, please, people: If we're going to split California, don't leave me in the thralldom of LA County! Being represented by Senator Boxer is bad enough; Senator Waters would be a nightmare.
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the exacerbation of problems that the City of St. Louis would have here in MO, or Detroit in MI, etc.
That would be a really good way to point out how bad Dem policies have been when they don't have the rest of the state to support their stupidity.
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separate country for West CA?
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having that discussion. A few years back there was talk of splitting the northern 2/3s of Maine into a separate state until someone up north did some number crunching and realized that the bulk of the state funds they were getting were generated by the southern 1/3 of the state! The tune changed dramatically.
I could support the San Fran-Los Angeles corridor being a separate country!! Got my vote! We used to say Travis AFB was halfway between the fruits and the flakes! (S.F. and Sacremento)
... though my own preference is for four (greater San Diego east to AZ, greater LA east to AZ/NV, coastal/Bay Area along the west coast up to the end of the SF suburbs/exurbs, and central valley/everything that's left).
I know most SoCal righties would prefer not to be stuck with LA, but LA's pretty much a typical big city and no more liberal than most (outside of Hollywood, which just doesn't have enough people to matter). And keeping the southern and eastern LA suburbs/exurbs (Orange, Riverside, and San Bernadino counties, and even some of northern San Diego county) without LA seems a bit silly from any viewpoint other than conservativs vs. liberals.
Of course, as a San Diegan, I often argue the major purpose of Camp Pendelton is to have 10,000 Marines keeping LA out of San Diego. :)
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They have Lots of High fences down there...There is one that goes down the middle of the freeway to keep the Undocumented workers from crossing the freeway...They should give the critters a lesson

Doesn't San Joaquin County still have more Republicans than nut & fruits?
I think Feinstein won that county in 06. It's on the border I guess. So it's controversial, but personally I expect in the future it might go wacko as the Bay Area sprawls.
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Perhaps we should do as some other nations and give major urban areas their own separate states. That way Illinois, Upstate NY, Michigan, and Washington could also be free from single-metropolis domination.
Maybe that's how Obama wanted to get 57(or however many extras...) states.
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