McCain Promises Hispanics He'll Revive 'Comprehensive Immigration Reform' Measures
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Last year, the so-called Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (Senate bill 1348) went down to a resounding defeat thanks to the vigilance of talk-radio and the blogs. John McCain was a leading voice in favor of passage in the Senate.
Since that defeat, John McCain has claimed that he has "gotten the message" that the country does not want the McCain version of "comprehensive reform" and he has avoided the issue in most campaign appearances.
But Juan McCain still lurks inside of John McCain.
Today, the Chicago Sun-Times news group (in the Beacon News) is reporting the results of last week's private, no media allowed meeting between candidate McCain and several Hispanic groups in Chicago.
Reminding everyone of his sponsorship for the comprehensive immigration reform bill proposed last summer, he bluntly stated, "We failed." However, he gave his promise that should he be elected, he would reintroduce the bill to Congress.
I think this is the thing that makes me the most upset at government. No idea is ever defeated. The defeated folks merely sit and wait to see when they can slip the same, defeated, bad ideas in when no one is looking. No matter how many times the American people tell their politicians and judges that they don't want something, these arrogant, elitists don't care.
So, John McCain's amnesty bill was soundly defeated and what does he say? With a sly wink and a ready grin, he just promises to bring it up again, anyway.
I am open to suggestions because it seems that our representatives simply have no interest in what the people have to say on any subject whatever.
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And then seek CIR. I'm fine with that. I want a fence so that deportation is deportation and so no matter what we do with CIR, another 20 million can't walk across. My issue will be WHAT CIR we want and I will be a moderate on that, AFTER we have a fence.
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There will never be a fence or border security. We have already passed the bill and funded it and almost nothing has been built. The fence is a pipe dream that no one in Congress was ever seriously intending to fulfill.
And, if you believe McCain will "secure the border" before he give amnesty to the illegals, you are really not paying attention to history or current events.
McCain is simply lying. His actions show it, his history shows it, the actions of Congress show it and so does its history. They are just waiting to when they might push amnesty through at a later date.
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WTH
You still have not come up with a viable alternative. All you stated is that you think McCain is lying, a position on Republican oriented site that you might want wish to rethink a bit, but still you posit no alternatives.
I'm all for airing of ideas to deal with the issue of illegal immigration, as long as they don't rely on the electorate spontaneously seeing things in the same light as Tom Tancredo. Not going to happen any time soon and I'd rather see something done about this issue sooner rather than later.
So please prey tell, where is the candidate on the ballot for President that you agree with on the issue of illegal immigration?
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Viable alternative?
To what?
You and your less than conservative ilk have already bent over for McCain. There IS no alternative.
The only real alternative is to utterly destroy the GOP and start over and that isn't an alternative that would be easy or fun. It might not even be feasible.
There is one alternative but it isn't one that will matter during this upcoming election. That alternative is to forget about politics for a while and focus on wresting control of our schools from the socialists and anti-Americans that have it in thrall. Then we can begin to turn out citizens instead of socialist sheep.
But that is a long, long term goal. In the short term there IS no alternative. The GOP has abandoned all its principles.The Reagan revolution is dead. Congress is socialist (Democrat) and socialist lite (GOP) and there is no outlet and almost no voice whatever for true American principles.
Third parties are no choice, either. They are either too weak, or too stuck on a single issue to be effective.
John McCain is the only choice a Republican can make but it is the poorest of poor choices. We thought the "compassionate conservatism" of G. W. Bush was bad, but he pales in comparison to McCain who has NO real ideology at all.
Again, the only real alternative is education. We cannot win unless we have an electorate that has even the tiniest clue what we as conservatives are even offering. The left has won the battle in the arena of ideas. We conservatives are in the unenviable position of trying to play catch up with an electorate that doesn't have any idea what we are even talking about because they have been inculcated with leftist tropes before we conservatives even bother to try to converse with them.
WE CANNOT WIN unless we have an informed electorate and we have allowed the extreme left to become our teachers.
Take it for what it's worth, but McCain is not worth the effort and it really does not matter a whit if it is he or Obama as president until we educate this nation on true American principles. We are finished unless we do.
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1. Nobody, at least me, is saying - yet - that JM is lying. But I don't think many of us would be shocked to discover that we have to re-fight this amnesty battle.
2. Those of us who favor enforcement first do have a plan, it's started to roll out and it appears to work. It's what we've been calling for for months, go after employers.
In AZ, we're seeing illegals leave the state in droves because of STATE efforts to go after employers and local law enforcement starting to check status on at least everyone who is arrested. In addition, we're now seeing the Feds starting to go after employers. Shut down the jobs and they'll leave.
Oh, and build the #*@##%*&# fence.
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and yes, I think we will and must have to re-fight this battle and many others with Jmac.
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State-"motivated" employer enforcement is exactly what should have been happening all along. It's working great. It needs to continue, both because it works and because it neuters McCain's pro-amnesty tendencies.
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I watch with great admiration the efforts of the state of Az. in this area and wish California would follow...not happening. Common sense, not too draconian, and having positive effects on reducing the illegal population in the state, great work Az!
What's a shame is that some of the less rational types, including the author of this blog, are not realistic about what can and cannot be done about illegal immigration given the Constitution, and a Democratic party in opposition. In some ways, the hardliners on this issue make legislating effective solutions to this problem as difficult or even more so than the open border types make it. I suppose it's easier to be against progress and finding solutions to issues than actually having to do the hard work to find compromises to difficult issues. After all just saying NO, you can always claim the moral high ground of being absolutely, positively, 100 percent right, while the house burns around you.
I do tend to think that McCain got the message about securing the border first before anything else, but I think back to another great admonition, Trust but Verify.
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1. For GC... thanks, I try to recognize and credit where it's due. Sometimes I miss something, but more often than not, it's just ont due (IMO).
2. Steve, I; a hardliner on this. I happen to be an incrementalist though, and believe we can get 90% of the way there with no new legislation, just enforce existing law.
3. I forgot.
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JD Hayworth was a hardliner, and some other derogatory words that I will skip.
Tom Terrific Tancredo is a hardliner, who I have no use for.
You...maybe a hardliner, but also a realist.
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Tancredo is a radical fringe zero population growth, build a wall and shut the world out, Buchananite ostrich.
He doesn't even really enter into the conversation of illegal immigration, because he doesn't even distinguish illegal immigration from the legal kind.
Neil,
Maybe so about Tom Terrific, but I think there's quite a contingent here on RS that think and speak of him in worshipful tones. Why I'd even venture to guess that the author of this blog worships at the altar of Tom Terrific.
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wasn't his position on immigration. His problem is that he's a loudmouthed jerk and life finally caught up with him.
I try hard to find realistic ways to do hard things 'cuz unless you've got total control you can't get stuff done otherwise. On that note, the Party really needs to put together a plan to accomplish our goal of smaller, less intrusive governmnt on an incremental basis. But then again, that requires leadership...
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she told my cousin, who told my dog, who told me.
Today, the Chicago Sun-Times news group (in the Beacon News) is reporting the results of last week's private, no media allowed meeting between candidate McCain and several Hispanic groups in Chicago.
So we're taking someone's word for it in the opinion section of the paper? The only thing she has as a direct quote is "We failed." McCain has already said that once the border is secure he would try to get a deal on a guest worker program and CIR, there is nothing new here on that front.
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People will have to make the pols build the fence and reject amnesty.
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He wanted a) border security and b) some form of guest worker or legalization. He wanted to do them at the same time.
Congress balked because of popular opposition. That opposition was a coalition of anti-immigrant types, Rule of Law lovers, and people who don't trust the government to do both things at the same time.
McCain's response during the primaries was to say he "got the message" that people didn't trust government. So he proposed to do a) border security first and then b) some form of guest worker or legalization.
McCain (and I) see doing A and B as "Comprehensive Reform." Doing it sequentially doesn't make it less comprehensive.
So McCain has shifted from doing things simultaneously to sequentially. But his goal has always been the same: a) border security and b) some form of guest worker or legalization.
I see nothing new from this talk.
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WTH
So McCain is making secret promises to revive "comprehensive immigration reform", and you think that's bad. Let's set an argument about the merits of reviving the failed plans of President Bush or any plan aside and ask what are the alternatives, or better yet what happens if McCain looses?
Consider
Nobama wins the Presidency, what sort of action do you expect to happen?
Nobama wins and a larger Democratic majority takes over in both the Senate and the House, what sort of action do you expect to happen?
There is no majority, silent or public for a set of legislative measures that it seems would make the folks that supported Tom Tancredo happy, so what do you propose? Perhaps wait another at least 4 years until the public figures out that President Nobamma has sold them down the river on this issue and many others. That's about all that could be offered up by voting and working against John McCain in terms of realpolitik in Washington, and that's not good enough for me.
A President John McCain might not make you happy on this issue, and frankly this development is troublesome, but President McCain be heads and shoulders better than President Nobama, and that's the only choices on the ballot and that's the reality of this issue. I'm voting for John McCain realizing that the the alternatives are not acceptable.
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