Ummmm....I told you so?

By Jeff Emanuel

The Georgia GuardDawg is reporting that two conservative students at Georgia Tech are suffering verbal abuse from their Liberal counterparts, and is lamenting the lack of action taken by the administration to protect them from such speech.

These two students, who are fire-breathing, in-your-face activists in their spare time, are also, of course, the same ones who, with the help of the ADF and David Horowitz, sued their school last year to get speech codes prohibiting insults and other such "verbal abuse" struck down.

Well, they were successful - and, thanks to their success, have no recourse against the "verbal abuse" they are still receiving, because, thanks again to their action, such "abuse" is no longer prohibited.

Oops.

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Here's what I said back when the case was first decided:

While I definitely think that the school's speech codes themselves were a poor use of administrative power, I agree that their selective enforcement was an even worse problem. While conservative students could be disciplined for opposing any PC guideline, any assault on what we would consider "traditional values" by campus Leftists would go absolutely unpunished.



Here's my problem with the action -- actually, with the plaintiffs: [...] one of the lessons arising from this is and should be the practicality of the old adage "There's No Such Thing As A Free Lunch." If you want to engage in in-your-face political activism, you can't expect the "state nanny" to extract you from your difficulties -- you must be prepared to take abuse and blowback from all sides. Likewise, "if you can't take the heat..," as they say -- in this case, in the form of name-calling, verbal abuse, and protests -- then maybe you should pick up a different avocation, and leave activism to others.

The plaintiff with whom I've had the most contact -- and with whom I conversed in depth when writing my article about the suit itself, which ran on Townhall.com -- definitely fell into the latter camp, in my opinion. She was amazed that she was taking abuse for her activism, and had severe trouble dealing with its extent. While this reaction is absolutely normal, she did at the time have the fallback reassurance that all of the heat she was taking was in the name of showing just how selective the enforcement of these rules were; even though her position was bad, her point was getting across louder and clearer than ever.

Now that is gone. The playing field is level, and anything the other side wants to say is completely legal. Some may say that this is a good thing regardless; I don't disagree. I do think, though, that, for those who have been involved in this with the belief that a victorious outcome would lead to greener pastures and a more tolerant -- and tolerated -- existence for campus conservatives, a Pandora's Box of now LEGAL abuse and protest may well have now been opened.

The problem isn’t the action. The problem isn’t the loosening of one-sided restrictions on free speech. The problem is that now the gloves are effectively off on both sides; no longer can the conservative activists point to discrimination on the part of the administration as the reason for their troubles.

I agree with free speech and a level playing field; however, I just hope that these young, idealistic college students know what it is they've set themselves up for -- and that they want what it is they're going to get. As the saying goes, "be careful what you ask for..."

Guess all those letters to the editor their activist buddies wrote, in which they attempted to call me out for not knowing what in the world I was talking about (after being pretty happy with my understanding of the situation when I originally wrote a defense of the premise on which the lawsuit was based) were a pretty big waste of paper, ink, and bandwidth - not that I'd expect to hear that admitted.

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Ummmm....I told you so?

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

If they were already taking abuse, and could not respond because of one sided enforcement of the rules, then they are marginally better off now.

I understand your point, but remember what it was like to be a college student, Big on enthusiasm, small on restraint and wisdom. They will learn.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

So it's really not true that they have "no recourse" against at least some of the things being said; they most certainly do.

...has to do with whether or not they contact law enforcement, and whether or not said LE takes it seriously. Different matter, and not the school admin's fault.

You claim that Ruth Malhotra et. al. have made conservative students more vulnerable to abuse, by winning a court ruling that Georgia Tech's content based restrictions against public expression of dissenting opinions violated the Constitution's free speech protection. You have a good reason for not citing any facts supporting that assertion, because there aren't any.

sued their school last year to get speech codes prohibiting insults and other such "verbal abuse" struck down.

Well, they were successful - and, thanks to their success, have no recourse against the "verbal abuse" they are still receiving, because, thanks again to their action, such "abuse" is no longer prohibited.

So let's see how the end of the speech code supposedly left conservatives less protected from such abuse.

While Georgia Tech still had its speech code, Ruth Malhotra was receiving threats of violence and murder from leftists. Georgia Tech did nothing to discourage this conduct, either with its own speech code, or the separate criminal statutes against threats. Meanwhile Georgia Tech did use the speech code to prevent Malhotra and others from engaging in peaceful, non-threatening, public expression of dissent.

After the court ruled that the U.S. Constitution applies even on the Georgia Tech campus, and struck down the speech code, Ruth Malhotra still receives death threats, and the school still does nothing about it, i.e. same as when the speech code was in effect. The only change is that the school can no longer take disciplinary action against Malhotra and others like her for peacefully expressing their political opinions.

The facts clearly indicate that anybody claiming Ruth Malhotra's lawsuit made the situation worse for anybody (except un-American campus censors), do indeed not know what they're talking about.

...good to say about it, the right-wing activists found me a sage voice of reason. Now that I'm showing some holes, suddenly I'm just plain ignorant.

Death threats, etc. are a law enforcement issue. What happened when the lawsuit was won, was that the verbal abuse which the plaintiffs endured, complained about, but dealt with because they thought they were setting an example, is now legal. Problem? The verbal abuse doesn't stop or change -- you just lose the reassurance that enduring it will lead to some greater good, because the crusade is over.

Here's the laughably incorrect part:

Meanwhile Georgia Tech did use the speech code to prevent Malhotra and others from engaging in peaceful, non-threatening, public expression of dissent.

It was the fact that many of these "peaceful expressions of dissent" were purposely in areas where they were prohibited, or used prohibited features or language, that got them flak from the administration.

I'm sorry if I just don't embrace the radical mindset of violating rules to prove a point - especially when, if the point is valid, it can be proven within the framework of acceptable, legal action.

What happened when the lawsuit was won, was that the verbal abuse which the plaintiffs endured, complained about, but dealt with because they thought they were setting an example, is now legal. Problem? The verbal abuse doesn't stop or change -- you just lose the reassurance that enduring it will lead to some greater good, because the crusade is over.

Nice try moving of the goalposts. Now your position is that overturning unconstitutional restrictions on the College Republicans' free speech rights was a bad move, if there are still some separate problems like rude leftists or bland dorm food that it doesn't cure?

Unlike your statement implies, Malhotra's lawsuit was not about stopping verbal abuse against her. What the lawsuit was about, and succeeded in, was stopping Georgia Tech's illegal use of its disciplinary powers to violate the First Amendment rights of the College Republicans and other conservative students. You don't think forcing Georgia Tech to submit to the U.S. Constitution is a worthwhile accomplishment?

You claim this part of my comment was "laughably incorrect":

Meanwhile Georgia Tech did use the speech code to prevent Malhotra and others from engaging in peaceful, non-threatening, public expression of dissent.

Which part of that was incorrect (laughably or not)? Are you claiming that Malhotra's public expression of dissent, stopped by the campus tolerance enforcers, was not "peaceful" or was not "non-threatening"?

Right after quoting what you said was the "laughably incorrect part" you make your case but are unable to cite anything that was incorrect:

It was the fact that many of these "peaceful expressions of dissent" were purposely in areas where they were prohibited, or used prohibited features or language, that got them flak from the administration.

Such logic is worthy of a college administrator, and anyone who can argue that with a straight face could have a great career in academia. When you can't deny that the dissent was peaceful and non-threatening as I said it was, you can only complain that it was "prohibited" by the administration. Well duh, that's exactly the point won in the lawsuit, that such prohibitions in the speech code violated the U.S. Constitution.

When Georgia Tech sics the campus police on the College Republicans to break up a Diversity Bake Sale parodying the school's affirmative action policy, because it was prohibited speech under the speech code, your position is that the College Republicans should submit to such a violation of their Constitutional rights? This wasn't a time or place restriction like you incorrectly claimed, it was Georgia Tech prohibiting speech based on political content.

There was a time when Georgia Tech prohibited students with Malhotra's skin color from enrolling there, but fortunately some decent people finally used the force of law to slap some sense into the Georgia Tech administration.

I'm sorry if I just don't embrace the radical mindset of violating rules to prove a point - especially when, if the point is valid, it can be proven within the framework of acceptable, legal action.

When those "rules" are clearly un-American violations of the Constitution, using law enforcement officers to silence lawful political dissent, I don't think it's a "radical mindset" going to court to stop such repression. That strikes me as eminently "acceptable legal action."

This is good for conservatives because they can get out their message without the administration squelching them. What's more important than they get out the message is they learn to and howto fight the libs. Rather than being forced to sit back and take it, they can at least get a couple of licks in.

My own feeling is that speech codes are meant to break the spirit of conservatives early. If you can condition people to not speaking their minds for four years it may well stick with them for life. This way when confronted they will respond in a conservative manner of standing up for their beliefs.

My tag line once again applies.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

 
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