Israeli apartheid?
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A new round of Israeli-Arab peace talks is under way. Whether something enduring will come of it seems rather unlikely, though even some normally skeptical observers have expressed guarded hope.
There is one curiosity here worth expounding: Thanks to Jimmy Carter, you’ll probably need both your hands to count the number of times the charge of APARTHEID will be hurled against Israel, sometimes with the esteemed former president actually cited, during interviews of Arab PR men. “Apartheid system,” “apartheid regime,” “apartheid state,” “apartheid government,” possibly even the infelicitous phrase “apartheid occupation” — over and over and over: these guys are suckers repetition of striking phrases. And while we’ve heard the apartheid accusation before, it is Carter’s recent book has vastly increased its currency.
Read on.
The curiosity is this: Since in Liberal parlance, apartheid has become a mere synonym for discrimination, which is the most wicked of all things, there is a certain logic to this charge. If a state that discriminates is an apartheid state, why, then Israel is an apartheid state.
Not being a Liberal myself, I have nothing against discrimination in principle, and indeed believe that a population which has for decades incubated a long train of depraved terrorists, as Palestine has, richly deserves considerable and unapologetic discrimination. Further, I am on record, repeatedly, here at Redstate and elsewhere, in calling for various policies of open discrimination against the Islamic religion, precisely for its incubation of a much longer train of depraved terrorists, brigands, and mad revolutionaries.
I have no illusions about what I’m up against here. The principle of nondiscrimination is the very god of Liberalism. And it is (alas) a solid fact that a great many self-styled conservatives do not hesitate to genuflect before this jealous god. One of my cobloggers at another website calls such men right-Liberals. Right-Liberalism grants the normative status of nondiscrimination, but makes a big scene about critiquing its excesses. The posture is inherently problematic, as the right-Liberal is always vulnerable to the left-Liberal raising the stakes. And in many cases right-Liberals have been so outmaneuvered by their cousins further Left that they become the mere consolidators of Leftism.
But there is nothing inherently virtuous in nondiscrimination. There is nothing inherently wicked in discrimination. At the level of abstraction, there is really not much we can say about it. We need particulars in order to judge properly (and “judging properly,” is in truth another phrase for the mental process of discrimination.) Is it unjust to discriminate against job applicants purely on the basis of race? Yes, I believe it is. Is it unjust to discriminate against job applicants on the basis of criminal record? Clearly not. Is it unjust to discriminate against potential immigrants on the basis of religion or national origin? on the basis of education level? on the basis of professional skills?
In short, on the question of discrimination, there is no universal, unequivocal answer. Some kinds of it are plainly unjust; others are wise and good. It is the task of self-government to work out the particulars. In a republic like ours, all we can demand is that men bring their own particular experiences, their capacity for reason, and their patriotic good will to the discussion table.
There is certainly some unjust and brutal discrimination against Palestinians by Israelis. No one will deny that. But there is also some very wise discrimination. It will only be removed when the latter begin to trust that the former are not perpetuating a whole culture of murderous terror against them. And the folly of Liberalism, exemplified by former president Carter, is to sweep away all these distinctions, leaving only the absurd conclusion that because Israel discriminates she must be an apartheid state, that is, an illegitimate and brazen affront to Liberalism.
This logic of nondiscrimination will issue in the dissolution of all Western nations, Israel included; because to maintain a Western nation means, strictly speaking, to discriminate in favor of Western things, at the expense of non-Western things.
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Further, I am on record, repeatedly, here at Redstate and elsewhere, in calling for various policies of open discrimination against the Islamic religion
You realize of course that any such policy would be unconstitutional?
But if anyone is going to start throwing around terms like "apartheid" they should be directed at Saudi Arabia first and foremost.
I would put them well behind Sudan and Somalia.
I don't think you've read the Constitution very well have you?
1st amendment - Freedom of religion, press, expression
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
This does not allow government policies that openly discriminate against any religion.
How does that follow? Muslims may practice the peaceful aspects of their religion freely. We will restrict only the emphatically political aspects, to begin with the doctrines of jihad, sharia and dhimmia. Our target is certain intolerable doctrines, and there is nothing in the First Amendment that obligates us to grant perfect equality to all religious doctrines, no matter how wicked.
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Violent aspects of jihad or support of same is already illegal.
Applying certain aspects of Shari'a are also illegal.
There is really no potential for dhimmia within the US and any application of same would be in violation of the 1st amendment.
Muslims are also not allowed multiple wives in the US.
Reynolds vs United States would inform any attempt by Muslims to invoke freedom of religion protections for these already prohibited activities.
Perhaps it is the way you are framing your argument that is leading to some confusion. What policies that openly discriminate against the Islamic religion have you proposed?
The main two are:
- An end to all Muslim immigration.
- A Jihad-sedition law, which would make the mere espousal of jihad, sharia or dhimmia illegal.
Search my posting history if you'd like some elaboration.
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Please quote where anyone here has suggested prohibiting the free exercis of Islam, or the establishment of a state form of Christianity.
I'm a little curious what Israeli discrimination you are reffering to? They do discriminate against non-Israeli citizens who are Palestinians or Arab in the sense that their travel/entry and exit are restricted, but I would argue that has more to do with soveriegnty than discrimination.
On the other hand, there is no formal policy of discrimination against Israeli citizens who are Arab (at least none I am aware of and I do follow it pretty closely) - they have representation in the kenesset, can serve in any capacity in the armed forces and have freedom of movement, association and speech to the same degree they do here.
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Doesn't any objective person have to conclude that there are few countries in the world that practice a greater degree of discrimination than Saudi Arabia- the land where its a crime for anyone to possess a bible or for a women to drive a car.
Generally, I say keep your nose out of my society and I'll keep mine out of yours, plus with their petro-leverage it would be folly to challenge Saudi internal policies.
But if anyone is going to start throwing around terms like "apartheid" they should be directed at Saudi Arabia first and foremost.